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		<title>By: EDA Blogger&#8217;s Birds of a Feather Reminder</title>
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		<dc:creator>EDA Blogger&#8217;s Birds of a Feather Reminder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blogged the first BoF, which occurred at DAC, earlier this year.  I felt it was a bit of a sputtering [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bloggers to fly again at ICCAD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bloggers to fly again at ICCAD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 06:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the first ever EDA Bloggers Birds-of-a-Feather session was held a DAC 2008 in San Diego.  If not, re-visit some of the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the first ever EDA Bloggers Birds-of-a-Feather session was held a DAC 2008 in San Diego.  If not, re-visit some of the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DFT Digest</title>
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		<dc:creator>DFT Digest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 06:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] said that DAC&#8217;s not really my show, but it was more interesting this year, given the whole EDA Bloggers Birds of Feather deal. It inspired some good discussion, and I hope it becomes a repeated occurrence as we, the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] said that DAC&#8217;s not really my show, but it was more interesting this year, given the whole EDA Bloggers Birds of Feather deal. It inspired some good discussion, and I hope it becomes a repeated occurrence as we, the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 06:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John (or Dark, as you may prefer):

No need to apologize for the press presence, and predomination of subject matter - it was interesting. I&#039;ve been following that same thread of conversation for quite awhile, through Lou Covey&#039;s blog, Brian Fuller, your own blog, and others.  I empathize with your plight.  It&#039;s a rapidly changing landscape, and I think we &#039;neo-bloggers&#039; want to be able to add value to it, more than anything else!

Thanks for reading!
JMF</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John (or Dark, as you may prefer):</p>
<p>No need to apologize for the press presence, and predomination of subject matter &#8211; it was interesting. I&#8217;ve been following that same thread of conversation for quite awhile, through Lou Covey&#8217;s blog, Brian Fuller, your own blog, and others.  I empathize with your plight.  It&#8217;s a rapidly changing landscape, and I think we &#8216;neo-bloggers&#8217; want to be able to add value to it, more than anything else!</p>
<p>Thanks for reading!<br />
JMF</p>
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		<title>By: Dark_Faust</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dark_Faust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John. It was quite a meeting, eh? Lots of information with an equal among of misunderstanding. Sorry the press made such a strong appearance, but it&#039;s a life and death issue for us. One that we&#039;ve been discussing for some time now, so we tend to pick up the conversation where we last left off.

Next time I come to such an event, I&#039;ll leave my press badge at the door and just participate as an engineer who likes to write. Or better yet, a &quot;pre-blogging&quot; blogger. (Does anyone remember Tony Perkin&#039;s Always-On Network?). :) Cheers.

BTW: This is John Blyler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John. It was quite a meeting, eh? Lots of information with an equal among of misunderstanding. Sorry the press made such a strong appearance, but it&#8217;s a life and death issue for us. One that we&#8217;ve been discussing for some time now, so we tend to pick up the conversation where we last left off.</p>
<p>Next time I come to such an event, I&#8217;ll leave my press badge at the door and just participate as an engineer who likes to write. Or better yet, a &#8220;pre-blogging&#8221; blogger. (Does anyone remember Tony Perkin&#8217;s Always-On Network?). <img src='http://www.dftdigest.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Cheers.</p>
<p>BTW: This is John Blyler.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon McGregor</title>
		<link>http://www.dftdigest.com/blog-posts/birds-dogs-whatever/comment-page-1/#comment-1358</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon McGregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was quite surprised by the large press/ marketing presence at the BoF event. I think I&#039;d expected more of an independent EDA blogger crowd, talking about how we could get the press/ marketing people to pay us any attention or take us seriously.

Apparently many of them already do.

All in all, a fun session, even if you got somewhat interrupted by the exodus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was quite surprised by the large press/ marketing presence at the BoF event. I think I&#8217;d expected more of an independent EDA blogger crowd, talking about how we could get the press/ marketing people to pay us any attention or take us seriously.</p>
<p>Apparently many of them already do.</p>
<p>All in all, a fun session, even if you got somewhat interrupted by the exodus.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all your comments - I really did enjoy the event, and JL, I did not take any offense whatsoever at the inauspicious timing of the mass exodus. It was pretty funny, actually, and made for a good story, so think nothing of it!

I do think we should do it again next year - DVCon or DAC is good for me, but DATE&#039;s a stretch. However, it might get a new mix of bloggers involved!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all your comments &#8211; I really did enjoy the event, and JL, I did not take any offense whatsoever at the inauspicious timing of the mass exodus. It was pretty funny, actually, and made for a good story, so think nothing of it!</p>
<p>I do think we should do it again next year &#8211; DVCon or DAC is good for me, but DATE&#8217;s a stretch. However, it might get a new mix of bloggers involved!</p>
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		<title>By: John B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice report! Thanks for sharing. I wish I could have been there. Glad DAC will be in SF next year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice report! Thanks for sharing. I wish I could have been there. Glad DAC will be in SF next year!</p>
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		<title>By: David Lin</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Lin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey John (JL, Sean, Harry and others),

Terrific write-up.  It was great meeting you all yesterday.  What a stimulating discussion!   I was glad to have been a part of this inaugural session and do agree that having more &quot;independent&quot; bloggers like yourself would have been a welcome addition to the conversation (and help take me off the hot seat!  LOL).

Additionally, I was surprised (delighted?  worried?) that bloggers are now able to command press credentials at DAC and other conferences.  Wow!

Anyway, this morning&#039;s panel about New Media was also quite interesting, almost a continuation of our discussion from last night covering topics from organization of blog content to evolution of press releases and, of course, the state of traditional media companies.

-Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey John (JL, Sean, Harry and others),</p>
<p>Terrific write-up.  It was great meeting you all yesterday.  What a stimulating discussion!   I was glad to have been a part of this inaugural session and do agree that having more &#8220;independent&#8221; bloggers like yourself would have been a welcome addition to the conversation (and help take me off the hot seat!  LOL).</p>
<p>Additionally, I was surprised (delighted?  worried?) that bloggers are now able to command press credentials at DAC and other conferences.  Wow!</p>
<p>Anyway, this morning&#8217;s panel about New Media was also quite interesting, almost a continuation of our discussion from last night covering topics from organization of blog content to evolution of press releases and, of course, the state of traditional media companies.</p>
<p>-Dave</p>
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		<title>By: JL Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>JL Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

I&#039;ll take some blame for everyone walking out in the middle of your response - I should have had us take a minute or two break to let everyone head out to the other events of the evening.  Next time I&#039;ll know better!

Regardless of that, I think we still ended up with a great discussion, even though we didn&#039;t perhaps get to hit on some of the things those of us who blog really cared to talk about.  My take? Assuming we do this again next year we ought to perhaps set up two distinct sections of the session - the first part where we could have a panel which included the general mix of the audience discussing things (and letting the journalists blow off some steam) and then a second part focused strictly on blogging. That way, the folks who aren&#039;t interested in the mechanics can leave and we can carry on with our own discussions.

Thanks again for all your help!

Take care,

JL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take some blame for everyone walking out in the middle of your response &#8211; I should have had us take a minute or two break to let everyone head out to the other events of the evening.  Next time I&#8217;ll know better!</p>
<p>Regardless of that, I think we still ended up with a great discussion, even though we didn&#8217;t perhaps get to hit on some of the things those of us who blog really cared to talk about.  My take? Assuming we do this again next year we ought to perhaps set up two distinct sections of the session &#8211; the first part where we could have a panel which included the general mix of the audience discussing things (and letting the journalists blow off some steam) and then a second part focused strictly on blogging. That way, the folks who aren&#8217;t interested in the mechanics can leave and we can carry on with our own discussions.</p>
<p>Thanks again for all your help!</p>
<p>Take care,</p>
<p>JL</p>
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